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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2020, 04:41:58 PM »
I'd pay good money to hear that!  ;D
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2020, 05:04:28 PM »
LOL, thanks.
I think I would as well!!

They just don't perform such large works anymore. Orchestras never have the budget for it.
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM »
Yes, its a shame. There's something about such massed forces in the hands of a top notch orchestrator. For example, I still prefer Rimsky-Korsakov's version of Pictures At An Exhibition over Ravel's paired down version.   
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2020, 07:42:03 PM »
oh, the same for me with Boris Godounov... I much prefer the Rimsky version to the original.

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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2020, 12:28:02 AM »
On a somewhat unrelated side note: I'm gradually coming to think of Rimsky-Korsakov (and definitely not Glinka or Balakirev) as a crucially important nodal figure who played the key role initiating a historical development that made "Western" art music  immensely more capable of expanding its coverage of geographies and traditions.

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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2020, 09:32:25 AM »
As an orchestrator he had a big influence. His orchestration book used to be considered THE definitive book on the subject. You can hear his influence all over early Stravinsky particularly The Rite Of Spring
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2020, 11:21:59 AM »
Yes, its a shame. There's something about such massed forces in the hands of a top notch orchestrator. For example, I still prefer Rimsky-Korsakov's version of Pictures At An Exhibition over Ravel's paired down version.


Wasn't the Rimsky version actually done by one of his pupils? Or is that a legend?
 
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2020, 11:49:23 AM »
Technically, Rimsky-Korsakov didn't orchestrate Pictures. While preparing a performance edition of the original piano version, he gave this to his student to orchestrate, who left out a number of movements. Rimsky-Korsakov then re-orchestrated a few of these himself, as an after-the-fact correction.

Supposedly, the Tushmalov (student of Rimsky-Korsakov) version is much closer to the orchestral palette of Mussorgsky.

Yes, its a shame. There's something about such massed forces in the hands of a top notch orchestrator. For example, I still prefer Rimsky-Korsakov's version of Pictures At An Exhibition over Ravel's paired down version.


Wasn't the Rimsky version actually done by one of his pupils? Or is that a legend?
 
Cheers,
Jer
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2020, 12:31:44 PM »
OK, I didn't know that. I always thought Pictures was Rimsky-Korsakov because that's how it was always identified.
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2020, 12:20:13 PM »
I've continued working on this score, adjusting details, dynamics, and of course, the harp part.
I had a professional harpist go over the entire harp part and she made some excellent suggestions. I've been incorporating those into the score. It would make much of an audible difference, but it renders the harp part more interesting to play, and more effective.
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2020, 05:17:04 PM »
I thought I'd include the harp part here.
There are still a few rough edges, and obviously, the cues aren't in yet.
Also, I have a few more questions for my harpist about some of the notation.
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2020, 05:50:57 PM »
What a busy part! It's striking to see how much time and attention goes into preparing the part for a single instrument not to mention the competence and craft to compose it.

Besides, to my eyes, the part looks just beautiful: everything in good balance and eye-pleasing proportions.

If I'm seeing correctly: in m. 499 dynamics does not horizontally align with the hairpin in the previous bar and in m. 390 the pedal spec collides with the hairpin.

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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2020, 06:12:18 PM »
yeah, since I haven't started putting in cues notes, I haven't spent quite as much time cleaning up a few alignment details.
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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2020, 06:24:53 PM »
Yes, I read you still had work to do. That's why I thought it might be time to catch one or two misalignment myself so I can take credit later for contributing to the work  ;D

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Re: "Amaterasu: conte fantastique en 6 tableaux" opus 39
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2020, 06:29:07 PM »
ROFLMAO
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