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Michel.R.E

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New Finale to Violin Concerto
« on: May 15, 2019, 09:32:33 AM »
This is the (hopefully) final version of the last movement of the Violin Concerto, opus 44.
The playback isn't perfect, there are a bunch of weird little slide effects as the violin switches layers for certain techniques (like at the end of a trill).

I'm not including the complete score, but am including the piano reduction of the orchestra part.

**Edited to now include the new and old versions**

NEW version of the final Rondo

OLD version of the final Rondo

In the score, the Presto starts on page 24. Admittedly, it's not the best reduction, but it's quite difficult to go from an orchestra part to a piano reduction particularly when there is a lot of crossing of voices.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2019, 10:20:20 PM by Michel.R.E »
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 12:48:34 PM »
Bravo!  Audiences will love this lively and engaging movement! 

Jay

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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 01:23:45 PM »
thanks Jay.
the violinist I have in mind is excellent and aggressive. she would really do this movement justice.
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 04:27:23 PM »
Bright sunshine throughout. 

Very upbeat ... exciting lovely phrasing and cadenzas.

It was a pleasure listening to the movement.

The accompaniment fitted perfectly with the violin solo and your intent.

You do have a wonderful understanding of the strings and use it to bring out all the colorful technical fireworks and nuance.

Bravo~!

Mark

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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2019, 09:07:01 AM »
I agree with Jay that the audiences (the soloists as well) will love this and I mean the whole Concerto, of course. I'm guessing they'll all be already overwhelmed by the end of Elegy. :)

I wish this Concerto a brilliant career as it well deserves!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 09:16:45 AM by sandalwood »

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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2019, 09:30:24 AM »
thank-you Reha.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can convince a couple of violinists to add it to their repertoire.
It does have the advantage of not requiring a full orchestra. It's doable with as few as a dozen musicians (apart from the soloist), though it will sound better with closer to 20.
The Adagio is the only movement that has any significant divisi passages. I purposely wrote them in soft dynamics and as very textural "background" effects (except for the very opening of the Adagio).
Otherwise the concerto relies on double-stops in the orchestra to create more density of texture.
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2019, 08:25:36 PM »
Well, it looks like this won't be the final version of the movement after all!
I've been playing around with the opening measures and found something I like better, and I now feel that the new cadenza is a tiny bit too long.
The ending also doesn't quite "drive forward" enough for my taste.
I have some ideas, I'll look at that this week.
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2019, 11:29:15 PM »
I've temporarily removed the finale of the violin concerto from the forum. I've now rewritten a large swath of it, and need to let it rest a short while before I decide if this will be the final version or not.

There are ALWAYS things to change. But if I can be satisfied that those changes will only be minor, then all will be good and I will repost the movement with score.
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UPDATED *New* Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2019, 08:01:24 AM »
Well, this is it, I have finished the last movement.
I'm much happier with it now, the opening feels more "preparatory" and the ending feels more "final".

I'm going to post both the new version and the old version, for anyone who feels like comparing them. The real changes are the opening 6 measures, and the final 30 or so measures which have been replaced (from measure 292 on, in the score).

I've also made a rather large cut in the solo cadenza, and altered some parts of it. The recording is too square and doesn't really have the ebb and flow that the music implies. There are also a few minor artifacts here and there, like notes cutting out a tiny bit too soon, or little glitch sounds. All part of having to use an old version of Finale to create my recording with the solo violin I wanted.

The last movement starts on page 24 (which is page 30 of the PDF file).

NEW version of the final Rondo

OLD version of the final Rondo
« Last Edit: May 23, 2019, 10:55:20 AM by Michel.R.E »
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2019, 11:29:50 AM »
Hi Michel,

Wow .... not easy to compare the two versions - since both offer great pleasures.

I did enjoy the more "languid" opening measures and I do think the edited cadenza is more in tone with the overall movement.

And the ending does feel more "crisp".

Mark


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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 11:38:37 AM »
thanks Mark.
hmmm, "languid"? I didn't think of it that way. I was thinking more "scurrying".
I know that in the new ending its a tiny bit more lyrical, blending that perpetuum mobile sound with a more drawn-out melodic feeling.
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2019, 11:55:19 AM »
Michel maybe languid is not the right word .... but in comparison to the old opening - it is definitely less in your face with the opening chords and more intimate in its scurrying.  I prefer the gentler introduction.

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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2019, 11:59:31 AM »
ahh, ok. yes.
It is, at least to my ear, more "preparatory" than "declamatory", which the old beginning was.
Don't get me wrong, I liked the intention of what I had come up with for the old opening, this large bold unison statement in the orchestra, but it would have needed something more suitable to follow, not the rapid and light scampering that is the main material of the Rondo.

That was why I felt I needed to change it.
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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2019, 05:12:18 PM »
I've been hiding under a rock this month and missed this thread.   A great work.  I hope your violinist does it justice.

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Re: New Finale to Violin Concerto
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2019, 05:51:15 PM »
thank-you Patrick  :)

if it's the 1st violin of the quartet who performed my quartet and was in my Concerto Grosso, I am POSITIVE she will do it justice.
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