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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 07:45:40 AM »
Jer,

Thank you for hanging there with me.

 I do have a retard posted in the score ... which Finale ignored!

I'll fix it .... I assume you are addressing the end  on the March section?

Mark

 

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2019, 10:15:16 AM »
Okay ... here's a (2nd) newer version of the intro - 1st theme.

I worked really hard on improving the transitions in the movement ... so the changes in keys are not abrupt .

The additions do create slight different flavor and context.

Anyway ... how did I do?  All suggestions most welcome.

Mark


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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2019, 12:20:21 PM »
It's working beautifully, Mark. It gets cleaner with each iteration.
 
But can you include it with the whole score so we can see how it works with the rest of it?
 
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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2019, 12:51:49 PM »
Jer,

This is the section I concentrated on with my Mentor. He didn't care for the quick key change and challenged me to work on it.

I see him in 2 weeks (next Saturday is my youngest daughter's Baby Shower) then we can move on to the next sections.

So hang in there with me.  More is to come.

Again thanks for the encouragement.

Mark

PS: I just tweak it a bit more .....  :angel:
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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2019, 06:10:51 PM »
Hi Mark,
Your new version of the brass quintet does seem crisper and the harmonies flow better. Keep up the good work! 

Jay

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2019, 07:35:01 AM »
Okay ...for those following my progress on this thread.  Here's the next iteration of the work.

Please note the enhancement of the recapitulation of theme A at the end and changes already posted in the opening.

So we have a simple ABA ..... the initial stroll in the park ... the coming of the parade and the return to the stroll when the marching band has passed.

This is the 17th revision! Now I still have to meet with my mentor in 10 days.  So this may or not be the final version; however, I feel I am very close to it.

When it is official finished .. I'll post in the completed section.

As always any thing that sticks out please comment.

Mark

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2019, 03:07:48 PM »
For those following this thread ..... I am very exciting to post my work on my project.


These are the results of two sessions with my new mentor.

Please note ... improved transitions, harmony, development.

I hope every one sees some progress here.

I could wait to post until I meet my mentor again ... but I am too excited to wait.

More too come

Mark

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2019, 10:40:31 AM »
Your brass quintet is coming along nicely, Mark.   I like the first part of the piece (about the first minute or so). Nice melody and chord changes.  Of course the same applies to the final section.

The middle section is nice, too, but seems to ramble a bit. I found myself wanting to hear more structure. You could make it more of a march ( with a driving beat) to move things along.

Jay


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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2019, 11:03:00 AM »
Your brass quintet is coming along nicely, Mark.   I like the first part of the piece (about the first minute or so). Nice melody and chord changes.  Of course the same applies to the final section.

The middle section is nice, too, but seems to ramble a bit. I found myself wanting to hear more structure. You could make it more of a march ( with a driving beat) to move things along.

Jay

Thanks Jay ... yes I am now focused on the mid-section.  I am thinking about removing some extraneous motifs  .... and creating a more unified section.  I need to focus of the moving bass .... and concurrent harmonic movement.  Let's see what comes about with my next meeting with my mentor.  Hard work indeed!

Mark

PS: Jay and all....I already made improvements ....  ;D
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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2019, 02:20:32 PM »
Mark,
 
The piece is quite lovely.
 
I have a couple more reactions.
 
Some of the triplets sound muddy to me, especially bars 7 and 13 and throughout the middle section. I don't feel a clearly defined rhythm on them.
 
Bar 16 feels to me like it should be a full stop rather than continuing the bass line. Perhaps just a half note followed by one pickup note for the next bar.
 
On 66 and 67 you have a nice little fanfare thing on Tpt 1 and Hn. The descending line on Tpt 2 feels to me like it's in the way.
 
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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2019, 03:57:33 PM »

Mark, some thoughts.

I like the first and last part of the piece. Except for bar 7. I think the triplets stops the nice flow you have in the music. Or maybe my ears need the first beat in that bar. Itís tied to the 8th note in the previous bar and that makes that bar a little strange to me.

I also think it stops a bit before bar 22. Need some forward movement perhaps.

To me itís the small things that make the music interesting.  Not just a nice melody. The movement in Trombone in bar 2 and that it reappears in the Horn part in bar 4 is very nice and the D in Tuba in bar 25 is a fine example on how to move the music forward.

Very nice. 

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2019, 06:18:12 PM »
Mark,
 
The piece is quite lovely.
 
I have a couple more reactions.
 
Some of the triplets sound muddy to me, especially bars 7 and 13 and throughout the middle section. I don't feel a clearly defined rhythm on them.
 
Bar 16 feels to me like it should be a full stop rather than continuing the bass line. Perhaps just a half note followed by one pickup note for the next bar.
 
On 66 and 67 you have a nice little fanfare thing on Tpt 1 and Hn. The descending line on Tpt 2 feels to me like it's in the way.
 
Cheers,
Jer

Jer thanks for taking the time to critic the work.

The reason I put the quarter note triplets in "play" was to attempt to carry the beginning motif through the harmonic transition.  Did I fail in this matter?  Or did I just handle it poorly?

I agree that the bass line in measure 16 can be changed to a half note.

Although, I am not in total agreement with the ending fanfare suggestion.   The measures with out the descending eighth note line lacks texture and feels empty; unless I find another substitution/idea for those  measures.  I need to play with it a bit and see.

Again thanks for hanging in there with me.  Ir's a great learning experience.

Mark

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2019, 06:31:01 PM »

Mark, some thoughts.

I like the first and last part of the piece. Except for bar 7. I think the triplets stops the nice flow you have in the music. Or maybe my ears need the first beat in that bar. Itís tied to the 8th note in the previous bar and that makes that bar a little strange to me.

I also think it stops a bit before bar 22. Need some forward movement perhaps.

To me itís the small things that make the music interesting.  Not just a nice melody. The movement in Trombone in bar 2 and that it reappears in the Horn part in bar 4 is very nice and the D in Tuba in bar 25 is a fine example on how to move the music forward.

Very nice. 

Morten

Morton thanks so much for your critic.

As I said in the previous post .... my intent was to carry over the motif from the beginning of the work.  I'll take another look at it.

As for measure 22 .... I added some forward movement in the trombone part.

Thanks again for following the thread.  I know some forum embers enjoy seeing a work develop over time.

Hopefully I will meet with my mentor this Saturday and we can review the new version of the work.  I already made changes to the mid-section to tighten up the initial flow ...actually deleted 4 superfluous measures to better state the main theme and texture.

Mark

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2019, 06:28:38 AM »
Jer,

I adjusted the fanfare at the end.

See attached.

Mark

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Re: Brass Quintet
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2019, 04:54:14 PM »
Mark,
 
That looks like it might work better.
 
I have to say, though, that I really liked the sound before, with the horn doubling the trumpet.
 
It's great that you put yourself out there and are open to suggestions. Agree or disagree, the back and forth is a great pleasure.
 
Cheers,
Jer
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