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Bassoon Oboe Duet
« on: November 27, 2016, 02:06:13 PM »
Here's something I jotted down this weekend.  First draft (thematic material to be further developed/edited).  ::)

I guess all this talk about the Oboe got me going.  ;)

All comments appreciated. 

Mark
« Last Edit: November 27, 2016, 02:25:10 PM by mjf1947 »

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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2016, 04:43:42 PM »
Hi, Mark:

I rather liked this.  It seems to be a bit of a departure for you from what you have written in the past, though still holding on to some Flanzreichian touches.  A first draft, you say? I think you can wriggle some interesting things out of this, and I would like very much to see this development.

Best of luck.

Brian

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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 08:17:54 PM »
You will have to clean up some of the rhythmic notation too.
measure 1 has a serious error in it, as does measure 17 (oboe). And while it's not "incorrect", measure 17's bassoon part could (should) in my opinion be written differently.
The error is passing over the measure's midline with a long value. Remember, a measure of 4/4 is divided into two halves, rhythms must fit into those two halves. if a held note crosses that median line, then you must use tied note values.
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2016, 06:11:31 AM »
You will have to clean up some of the rhythmic notation too.
measure 1 has a serious error in it, as does measure 17 (oboe). And while it's not "incorrect", measure 17's bassoon part could (should) in my opinion be written differently.
The error is passing over the measure's midline with a long value. Remember, a measure of 4/4 is divided into two halves, rhythms must fit into those two halves. if a held note crosses that median line, then you must use tied note values.

Is the attached correct?  If not what am I not understanding here?




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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2016, 06:36:21 AM »
The oboe part is correct. Technically the bassoon part is as well, but this kind of syncopated rhythm is often written in quarter notes, even across the mid-measure boundary because it is so common.
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 07:46:27 AM »
that was why I mentioned that it was not technically "incorrect", but I find it considerably clearer to indicate the mid-measure mark regardless.

I'd prefer to keep long values crossing the mid-measure mark for longer-value syncopation, for example, in 4/4: quarter-half-quarter.
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 08:14:02 AM »
Okay for those following this thread .............here's an updated tweaked version.

I tried to keep the various motifs hopping about and there is a new ending and slightly changed opening and mid-section.

Mark
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 08:50:06 AM »
Nice interplay, I also like how you don't let the instruments play together all the time but have moments of solo playing, maybe also some solo oboe?
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 08:52:54 AM »
I’m still learning the “rules” of composition but a s a reader of music I would prefer the quarter note at mid measure rather than the tied eighth notes.  I feel modern music has used this kind of syncopation to the point where its become pretty commonplace. As a reader, I think the less clutter on the page the better. Looking forward to hearing your final product.

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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2016, 09:19:18 AM »
I’m still learning the “rules” of composition but a s a reader of music I would prefer the quarter note at mid measure rather than the tied eighth notes.  I feel modern music has used this kind of syncopation to the point where its become pretty commonplace. As a reader, I think the less clutter on the page the better. Looking forward to hearing your final product.

Cheers,AO.

However, by keeping with Michel's suggestion ... it does accomplish this ... As a performer ...correct rhythm is a constant concern ... anything that clarifies the rhythm/meter etc. is most helpful to the player and ensemble ... and I would imagine for the conductor too.

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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2016, 07:42:10 AM »
Actually, having been a performer for the last 40+ years I must say, either way is not going to throw anyone off, especially if they are capable of playing your piece to begin with. It might be nit picking at this point but It’s just my preference as a reader to have less clutter to look at, but as far as my new composing hobby goes, I suggest you take Michel’s advice, he’s the guy that knows.

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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2016, 08:06:11 AM »
Actually, having been a performer for the last 40+ years I must say, either way is not going to throw anyone off, especially if they are capable of playing your piece to begin with. It might be nit picking at this point but It’s just my preference as a reader to have less clutter to look at, but as far as my new composing hobby goes, I suggest you take Michel’s advice, he’s the guy that knows.

Cheers,AO.

Hi,

Michel said that the bassoon part as written was okay and it was his preference to write it differently.

By the way - Are you an orchestra member? soloist? ensemble?


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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2016, 10:27:23 AM »
The question of using a quarter note or two tied eighths at mid-measure is more one of engraving practice than actual composition.

As I said, as it is in this score it's not "wrong" at all. My preference is for additional clarity, however, by sticking to what might be considered a bit of an old-fashioned engraving rule.
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Re: Bassoon Oboe Duet
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2016, 02:15:56 PM »
For those interested (and maybe those not so much) here's an updated version.

More interplay between Oboe and Bassoon ... and some more solo Oboe lines.

I feel this is a good version.  Comments ......???

Sent it to my Oboe teacher who is also a coach at my chamber music camp.

She suggested I bring it with me next summer to perform.

Mark

PS: Should I move it to the completed section?