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mjf1947

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 11:55:02 AM »
Michel,


Here's some work I did a few days ago.  Just in the woodwinds.

I am doing the brass now.

What do you think?

Mark

PS:  I ALREADY MADE CHANGES ... NO COMMENTS REQUIRED.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 12:28:43 PM »
The lows D's in the oboes are really dangerous. I'd say that mp is virtually impossible and intonation could be a big issue. (Think the duck in "Peter and the Wolf.") I'd give those notes to an English Horn--or a bassoon. You might also find those low F's and G in the 2nd flute will be inaudible. If it were me, restricted to these instruments, I'd give the 2nd flute part to the 2nd oboe and raise the 2nd oboe part an octave and give it to the 2nd flute--as the simplest solution.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 02:06:01 PM »
Mark, it's already better, even with the range issues that Ron pointed out.

There's still that pesky unison bassoons though. In general, avoid unison double reeds.
Bassoons can happily coexist in octaves or 5ths or a combination of both.

Now, I notice that the clarinet doubles the oboe and not the flute. You are, in a way, strengthening that line. Are you SURE that you want to bring prominence to the oboe/clarinet line? Double reeds already tend to come out more in a texture because of that beautiful unique timbre they have.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 10:13:30 AM »
Michel and all,

Here's an update on my progress.

Mark

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 10:43:21 AM »
Much better. :)

A small picky point: when instruments share the same rhythmic values, they should share stems. For example, the entire trumpet line could be written in layer one, sharing stems.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 11:04:56 AM »
I am meeting with my Music Director ..... have some new ideas .... post soon!

Mark

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2016, 11:17:15 AM »
Mark: on cursory overview, I'd say that that looks MUCH better!
It's starting to look like an orchestral score.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 12:19:44 PM »
Mark: on cursory overview, I'd say that that looks MUCH better!
It's starting to look like an orchestral score.


Thanks!!

I just had a good conversation with my Music Director ..... as per your insights posted before ..... I am now going to look at the piece from an orchestral perspective ..... giving color among the sections .... and rely less on doubling thematic material across sections ..... I am not thinking about - just expanding the original string composition ..... rather I am keeping the original conception ..... playfully orchestrated among the various sections and instruments as well as filling in the texture/fabric.

I have already made changes .... and I am pleased with the results.

Will post again when I have some material to share.

Thanks for the support.

Mark

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2016, 07:24:13 AM »
For those following this thread.  Here's a major update.

All comments appreciated.  Criticisms ;) well received.

Positive reinforcement nice too.  ;D

Hope you enjoy the update.

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2016, 08:29:09 AM »
Nice work Mark! I liked it, good sparse use of the percussion (the tambourine for example, nice!). I liked your material as well, enough variation (with different instrumentation). Keep at it!
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2016, 11:51:39 PM »
Why do you end the work on a 2nd inversion chord?
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2016, 05:22:37 AM »
Why do you end the work on a 2nd inversion chord?

I will "resolve" the concern~!  ;D

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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2016, 06:48:41 AM »
Mark, another pleasant  piece.

However, there are several issues.

(1) The balance between the woodwinds and the other instruments are off in various places. For example, on bars 5-8, you have a single flute and oboe against massed brass (not mention the strings). The woodwinds will be barely audible (if audible at all).

(2) Your second flute part spends a lot of its time in a range which would make it inaudible.

(3) Many of your pages are positioned too high, the music collides with the header text.

(4) There are spots in multi-instrument staves (such as the horns) where there is a single line but no indication as to who is to be playing, is it the 1st char, 1nd chair, or both?

(5) There are crescendos and diminuendos with no ending dynamic. You need to tell the performer what dynamic to end at and, depending on the context, what dynamic to start at.
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Re: A Petite Undertaking for Orchestra
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2016, 08:26:27 AM »
Thanks for the your time and review.

I will attend to your suggestions.

I meet with my Music Director soon for a second review.

Will post again later.

Mark