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Title: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on August 31, 2020, 03:27:55 PM
This was "Waltz Pasquinade" in the "in Progress" section.   I think it is complete enough to move it here.

Audio - https://app.box.com/s/vn98rbc0j6087abzxrfe6xd354ntpnmu
Score - https://app.box.com/s/37tea3j44q805sv4g2kc43k8jtqw6pme
(Last updated Sept 6, 2020)
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: mjf1947 on August 31, 2020, 07:24:59 PM
Very charming indeed ................... it flows well and around and around it goes.............................

I also enjoyed they harmonic shifts along the way they added a bit of mystery to the witty participants in the romp.

Well done.

Mark

PS:  Nice use of the instrumentation too.
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: Jerry Engelbach on September 01, 2020, 10:38:44 AM
Patrick,
 
Well, the original title was more flavorful and less generic than the new one.
 
But a waltz by any other name sounds just as sweet.
 
Nice work.
 
Cheers,
Jer
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: sandalwood on September 01, 2020, 12:15:51 PM
Congratulations for this nice work, Pat!
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: gogreen on September 01, 2020, 07:12:14 PM
What a lovely work! The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the perfect fifth in measure 94 between bassoon and horn, D and A. Otherwise, as Mark said, "charming"!

Art
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on September 01, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
Well, the original title was more flavorful and less generic than the new one.
The trouble is, the old title just wasn't accurate - it's really was not a pasquinade.  A parody, perhaps.  The original title was "Waltz Burlesque", and that is probably the best name.  However, my wife thought that sounded a bit disreputable.   :)

The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the perfect fifth in measure 94 between bassoon and horn, D and A.
I'll see what I can do about that.  I hadn't noticed parallel 5ths.  I've made a quick change, but I'm not sure it works.  I'll attack it again tomorrow. 

Thanks to all who've commented.
Title: Re: Rustic Waltz
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on September 02, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
Well, the original title was more flavorful and less generic than the new one.
It is now "Waltz Burlesque" - my original name for the piece.  And to avoid misunderstanding, I've included a definition of "burlesque" (paraphrased to avoid copyright violations) in the program notes.  I've also changed the program notes wording a bit (and corrected misspellings and finger checks).

The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was the perfect fifth in measure 94 between bassoon and horn, D and A.
Reworked it a bit.  I wasn't sure if it was the parallel 5ths that bothered you or the notes themselves, but I have now avoided both.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Jerry Engelbach on September 02, 2020, 04:31:21 PM
Patrick,

My vote still goes to Pasquinade.

Although I guess no title could be more generic than Ravel's La Valse.

Cheers,
Jer
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on September 03, 2020, 09:54:16 AM
My vote still goes to Pasquinade.
Most definitions of "pasquinade" have it a lampoon or satire.  I don't think the piece is satirical.  I'd rather give the impression of an ineffective or unsuccessful imitation.  Or perhaps a gentle take-off.  If anything seems to be ridiculed, I want it to be the act of imitation, not the subject of imitation.

Maybe "Waltz Parody"?
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: sandalwood on September 03, 2020, 10:31:07 AM
As Jer says, it sounds as sweet under any name, though perhaps even more lovely and more temperate when called Burlesque and if that one actually does have a bothersome enough connotation, you'll at least be having some illustrious company.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Jerry Engelbach on September 03, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
Patrick,
 
I just like the sound of pasquinade, regardless of meaning. Like some of the fanciful titles of Satie's short prices or tunes by jazz musicians.
 
Cheers,
Jer
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: sandalwood on September 03, 2020, 11:51:50 AM
I sincerely think it is a very "sound" reason to uphold a name for a work!
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: gogreen on September 03, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
Quote
I wasn't sure if it was the parallel 5ths that bothered you or the notes themselves, but I have now avoided both.

To clarify, I was referring to the perfect fifth interval, not any parallel fifth movement.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on September 03, 2020, 03:17:51 PM
To clarify, I was referring to the perfect fifth interval, not any parallel fifth movement.
Well, I 'fixed" both, but I think I'll rework it some more.  And I'm not so sure it won't go back to what I originally had.  I realize I've been trying to find what I like best that is different than what was there before, not what I like best.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on September 06, 2020, 09:24:11 PM
I'm still struggling with the name.  My teacher suggested I perhaps focus on the character of the piece.  So thinking of its different moods I considered things like "Cryptic Waltz", "Mercurial Waltz", "Obtuse Waltz", "Capricious Waltz".  None was particularly accurate but that last one resonated.  The work is temporarily called "Waltz Caprice". 

I've made a few musical tweaks to the pieces - typical of the way I treat completed works.

Edit:
The above list of names emphasized the changing moods of the piece.
Some other options based on number of moods:
Indecisive Waltz
Equivocal Waltz
Ambivalent Waltz
Inconsistent Waltz
Discrepant Waltz
Incongruent Waltz

I kind of like "Incongruent Waltz".
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: whitebark on October 03, 2020, 06:02:00 PM
Hi Patrick, I'm glad you're back and composing once again.  I enjoyed listening to your waltz with its sly, witty sound and relentless flow. The piece seems to lack the traditional trio section, which could have provides some contrasting character. But it is a Waltz Burlesque after all,  so you can do anything you like as long as it is in 3/4 time. Nice use of instruments, solid counterpoint technique, just good all around.

Cheers,
Jay
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on October 03, 2020, 07:59:16 PM
Hi Jay.  Thanks for your comments.  I'm glad you liked the piece.  I thought of making it a "scherzo & trio" kind of piece, but decided either that would make it too long or I'd  have to drastically shorten what I already had written.  I've decided to keep it as it is.

By the way, it is now named "Equivocal Waltz".
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Gillespie on November 10, 2020, 06:18:34 PM
I enjoyed your piece very much.  It took me a few minutes to get used to reading the score in concert C--especially the horn part.  The parts interacted quite well.  Very nice part independence combined with interplay.  Nice job.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on November 10, 2020, 07:05:37 PM
Oops.  I intended to switch to a transposing score but forgot.  I'll do that right away.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: RJB54 on November 18, 2020, 04:52:39 AM
Very nice piece.

The interplay between the instruments was well done.

For me, it definitely had that light-hearted Mahlerian vibe to it. Of course, Mahler would have contrasted it with some super-angsty material and it would have been three times longer  ;D.

Well done.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on November 18, 2020, 10:45:40 AM
For me, it definitely had that light-hearted Mahlerian vibe to it. Of course, Mahler would have contrasted it with some super-angsty material and it would have been three times longer  ;D.
Mahler would have also used 20 or 30 times more musicians.  The length is not out of line with some of the shorter Wunderhorn songs, but my intent want's to make anything that felt or sounded like Mahler.   I just tried to use some of his techniques.

I like this instrumentation enough that I'm now working on a short suite for cello and wind quintet.

Pat
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Rex Potam on November 18, 2020, 10:48:01 AM
I enjoyed listening to this lively waltz. The harmonic shifts bring enough spice but they are nicely prepared so they don't disrupt the flow. I love how the theme feeds the whole piece from start to end.
Well done!
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: RJB54 on November 18, 2020, 11:18:16 AM
I like this instrumentation enough that I'm now working on a short suite for cello and wind quintet.

Yes this instrumentation works well. I was little skeptical at first, but adding a cello to the standard woodwind quintet added an interesting color with the woodwind, brass, and string timbres.
Title: Re: Waltz Burlesque (formerly: Rustic Waltz)
Post by: Patrick O'Keefe on November 18, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
I was little skeptical at first, but adding a cello to the standard woodwind quintet added an interesting color with the woodwind, brass, and string timbres.
I was a bit hesitant, but I wasn't breaking new ground in the winds + cello arena.  Dvořák's Serenade for Winds has both cello and bass.  Admittedly, Dvořák wasn't using a standard wind ensemble but I chose to ignore that.  I may have trouble getting it performed, but there's little hope in getting anything performed at the moment.  I'll worry about that in the future.