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Works in Progress: Junior / Re: Long Piece for Orchestra and Two Violins
« Last post by paulr on Today at 11:48:39 AM »
Thank you for your kind comments and insights  Jerry,

And thank you very much for taking the time to listen to it. 

I will try again with the score - but it may be a while. I've moved on to something else for now.

I wasn't conciously following The Planets but I do know the piece.  I'll listen again. 

Yes, I knew the structure was problematic. 

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I don't feel the sense of unifying motifs. Instead, a section starts and arouses an expectation of further development, but then changes to something else.
 

There is a certain amount of thematic intregity but some of it may be too heavily disguised.  And yes the sense of it being 'one section after another' is very clear.  The trouble is that has two solutions: 

  • Develop each or some of the sections and still find a way back to the next part - which makes the whole thing even longer
  • Or cut some sections and develop and integrate what is left

I'm reluctant to give this the time required for such major revisions.   It has taken so much time and has taken overall years to complete.  As I said I don't have as much free time now and my day job is a stressful one - more so at this time of year.  I don't think I should take it on at the moment and my inclination is to learn my lesssons and adopt a different approach in future. 

If I do attempt anything like this again I will compose in Finale (even though I resent the lack of control compared to DAWS, particularly of timing and dynamics).  I would still finesse in Sonar (or Cakewalk as it's now called).  I would also sketch, experiment and plan much more than I did. 

And you are right about the tempo.  That's something I might look at in the minor revisions I am going to do next on it.

In the short term I'll just tidy up or improve some of the transitions if I can then put it on Soundcloud.

It is much harder to do what I was trying to do than I realised at the start - not that I though it would be easy.
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If anyone does want to discuss this, my particular question (apart from the usual ones) would be: is it worth making a proper score from this?
Paul,
 
Yes. Because it's such a complex score, it would be helpful to have a notated version of it.
 
I'm impressed that it's such an ambitious piece. It contains many interesting sections. I don't know if it's conscious, but I hear places that remind me of Holst's The Planets.
 
Your theme fragments are engaging, the interweaving of different instruments is exciting, and the acoustic space is clean and transparent.
 
That having been said, I have a few caveats.
 
I don't feel the sense of unifying motifs. Instead, a section starts and arouses an expectation of further development, but then changes to something else.
 
An example of this is that a couple of times the music intensifies and speeds up and seems about to soar, but then subsides to a slow pace again.
 
The very complexity of it is at times overwhelming, and I'm not sure about maintaining audience interest for so long in a piece with an overall slow tempo.
 
Thanks much for sharing it.
 
Cheers,
Jer
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Chit Chat / Re: Music and Medicine
« Last post by LA Dierker on Today at 10:21:56 AM »
Thanks.  And I will keep in mind the influence of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas as I continue listening to your new work for String Orchestra.  LA
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Chit Chat / Re: Music and Medicine
« Last post by Ron on Today at 09:56:16 AM »
Good luck with your studies and attempt at a sonata, LA. My "String Symphony" (under "Major New Work") was partly inspired by my study of Beethoven's piano sonatas. His expanded language and use of form to communicate is still relevant 200 years later.
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Chit Chat / Re: Music and Medicine
« Last post by LA Dierker on Today at 08:30:07 AM »
Thanks for posting this Ron.  I have an interest in such subjects so will explore further this organization.
    And yes I noticed that Jonathan Biss was expanding the study of Beethoven Sonatas, so that will give me some month of study, helpful for my project.
      I am just beginning to attempt composing in Sonata form for piano. It is my first for a sonata and although I have composed for piano and pipe organ, as a clarinetist I am always a little hesitant with this "fingering stuff".  Wish me luck!  best, LA
     
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Works in Progress: Junior / Re: Long Piece for Orchestra and Two Violins
« Last post by whitebark on Yesterday at 07:48:45 PM »
Thanks for sharing your piece, Paul. It definitely needs a better title (although "long piece" is an apt description  :)).  I enjoyed listening to your work, which felt like it was taking me on a long journey through a moody, gloomy landscape. There was enough variety in your orchestration and harmonic techniques to maintain interest.

Nearing the end, the music took on an optimistic tone, like a ray of sunshine breaking through the clouds, but clashing major and minor chords at the end brought things to an uncertain end.

You might consider adding an unaccompanied, extended cadenza for the violins to play toward the end of the piece, as it is concerto-like in a way. And you need to create a good-looking score for others to review (although, as you mentioned, this could be problematic).

Again, nice work!

-Jay



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Completed Works: Senior / Re: Major New Work
« Last post by Ron on Yesterday at 03:00:54 PM »
Just beginning to listen to this work Ron. The mood of the first movement seems to reflect, for me, the anguish of parenting grown children discussed in recent forum posts.  Also, thanks for mentioning the on-line course exploring the Beethoven Sonatas. I am "enrolled" and have found Jonathan Biss a delightful teacher.  best, LA

Thanks for the kind words. After the initial course, Jonathan Biss went on to create two more courses on Beethoven's sonatas, all in Coursera. Well worth the time. I really enjoyed them and appreciate the radical changes that Beethoven brought to music all the more so thanks to Jonathan's detailed knowledge. He's an accomplished pianist as well--and that helps.
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Completed Works: Senior / Re: Major New Work
« Last post by LA Dierker on Yesterday at 12:32:58 PM »
Just beginning to listen to this work Ron. The mood of the first movement seems to reflect, for me, the anguish of parenting grown children discussed in recent forum posts.  Also, thanks for mentioning the on-line course exploring the Beethoven Sonatas. I am "enrolled" and have found Jonathan Biss a delightful teacher.  best, LA
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Chit Chat / Re: Recent absence
« Last post by LA Dierker on Yesterday at 11:46:33 AM »
New to the forum,and am appreciating the openness and honesty about life beyond the professional world. Thank you.
  Totally understand the anguish of parenting. Was also caught in the "sandwich" of caring for elderly parents while raising children.
    Agree with what Ron's and Mark's words, "understood by all who live a full life" and "never give up".  best, LA
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Chit Chat / Re: Recent absence
« Last post by sandalwood on Yesterday at 08:33:58 AM »
Understood by all who live a full life!!!

Mark

Mark said it all!

More power to you Terence and may all things run the way you wish!
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