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perpetuo studens

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Is This Jazz?
« on: January 28, 2017, 06:42:31 PM »
Almost posted this in Chitchat, but the jazz areas have been a little neglected lately...

Stravinsky wrote this for Woody Herman's big band:
Ebony Concerto (Stravinsky): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNvC5vAYX-E

Here's the Wikipedia article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebony_Concerto_(Stravinsky)

IM (sometimes H) O this is a classical work with heavy jazz influences/inspiration. To support this I want to argue form and instrumentation, but since both genres will accommodate pretty much any instrument and all possible forms I think it's a weak argument.

What do others think?

Jamie
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That means that you can look at a piece of a puzzle for three whole days, you can believe that you know all there is to know about its colouring and its shape, and be no further ahead than when you started. The only thing that counts is the ability to link this piece to other pieces...

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Re: Is This Jazz?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2017, 05:00:30 PM »
Even though this was written for a jazz big band (on commision) and contains some jazz influences this is definately classical music.

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Re: Is This Jazz?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 05:37:45 AM »
I tend to think like this:

He possesses a genius to speak words of wisdom in tongues he hears for the first time...
and all the while he speaks with a heavy accent of his own idiosyncratic native tongue...

and he has no scruples (igOR :)) to go from marketplace to marketplace to make money from fascinated gatherings


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Re: Is This Jazz?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 11:50:10 AM »
He possesses a genius to speak words of wisdom in tongues he hears for the first time...
and all the while he speaks with a heavy accent of his own idiosyncratic native tongue...

Lovely!

and he has no scruples (igOR :)) to go from marketplace to marketplace to make money from fascinated gatherings

Well, a gig's a gig. :)
The perceived object...is not a sum of elements to be distinguished from each other and analyzed discretely, but a pattern, that is to say a form, a structure: the element's existence does not precede the existence of the whole, it comes neither before nor after it, for the parts do not determine the pattern, but the pattern determines the parts: knowledge of the pattern and of its laws, of the set and its structure, could not possibly be derived from discrete knowledge of the elements that compose it.

That means that you can look at a piece of a puzzle for three whole days, you can believe that you know all there is to know about its colouring and its shape, and be no further ahead than when you started. The only thing that counts is the ability to link this piece to other pieces...

Georges Perec - Life: A User's Manual